The pastor, the Rev. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. They had been dead nearly a month, and by that time John Emil List was long gone. After gruesomely murdering his entire family, John List had begun living a normal life again. John had first moved to Michigan, and then to Colorado, where he took an accounting job in Denver. But as listeners heard in episode 7, when his second wife, Delores Miller Clark, came to visit him in the Henrico County Jail after his arrest, List admitted who he Mr. Clark took with him no furniture or personal possessions other than boxes of tax materials, a neighbor said. Authorities are not certain just when List arrived in the Denver area, but one Denver man remembered meeting Robert P. Clark in Golden in early 1973, just over a year after the murders. Dr. Sheldon Miller, who examined List after his arrest last year, described him Friday as a man who had already been hit by the loss of his job and then learned that his Bust the case. who writes: In 1895, he bought twenty-two acres of land a few miles northeast, and built a grand Victorian house atop a gentle knoll .. Wittke called his estate Breeze Knoll. He became increasingly depressed. Even from his jail cell in Virginia, where he is accused of being the fugitive John Emil List and awaits extradition to New Jersey to face charges that he murdered five members of his family in 1971, he has neither protested his innocence nor confessed his guilt. The neighbours called the police when Johns daughter Patricias dancing teacher came home to see why Patricia was not coming to the classes. However, he was a loner who was not socially active and had very few friends in school and his locality. Then he drove to John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York, where he left his car as a false lead and took a bus into the city. Ann: Theres an issue of cause and effect here. He died in the prison hospital at the age of 82, in 2008. Required fields are marked *. I was in despair, List says. You understand what I'm saying? If List simply admitted to his family and creditorsand the IRS thathe was in crisis, a solutionthat didnt involvehomicideand pseudonymscould have beenhammered out. But back in Denver, his former neighbors did recognize him, and called police. Sometimes, he added, Mr. Clark became so impassioned that sweat broke out on his brow. I dont wish death on the CIC. It was one day out of all these many many years.'' His sixteen years old daughter and 13 years old son returned from the school at noon. He later took a job as the vice president at a bank in New Jersey, where the family finally got settled. A couple of sourcesclaim that the ornate housecontainedaskylight made ofLouis Comfort Tiffany stained glass valuable enough to bail List out of his financial problems. We all made a lot of assumptions, such as the fact that he didn't have any children, since his wife had been so sick. The job was for an entry-level staff accountant at a salary of $24,000. To much rationalizing. With Mr. Wetmore's help, Mr. Clark moved again, in 1977, to Wheatridge. Mrs. Clark also has relatives nearby, in Maryland. The family attendedthe Redeemer Lutheran Church, where John taught Sunday school. Until next week, cheers. He has also appeared on television shows such as Your Worst Nightmare and American Justice. The good news is, they *are* all in Heaven no doubt. But pointing out that someone has had multiple bankruptcies is a statement of fact, not an insult. They got married in December 1951. List would also be 63 years old now. ''I don't know John List. Human name disambiguation pages. Few neighbors had been invited to the house. John confessed to committing the murders in February 1990. ''I have been depressed over all this,'' Mrs. Clark wrote. However, he was not ready to disclose his incompetency to his family yet and hence, he left the house every morning, sat on the railway station and read books and newspapers all day. Several sources in the book Righteous Carnage mentions his arrogance. (Although largely irrelevant to this blog, I regard the US media as overwhelmingly anti-Trump, simply unable to acknowledge that he achieved anything positive, which he certainly, objectively, did. '', Mr. Clark formed his own consulting firm, Robert Clark Services. Work Mr. Clark switched to a restaurant in a Denver department store, and, Mr. Wetmore said, he mentioned taking a course at H & R Block and doing a little tax work to make extra money. The program, one that Clark watched regularly and often recommended to neighbors, featured a plaster bust portraying List as he might look now. Mr. Clark spent long days in his own small office, unadorned by decorations or memorabilia, but with classical music playing softly on a radio. He also found and read a rambling, five-page confession List had written to his pastor in Westfield. Mrs. Clark has been reluctant to answer questions since the arrest. He insinuated that it had been a bad experience.''. Listlowered the temperature in the house, cued up some organmusic on the intercom system, and told his kids teachers that the family had gone on a trip to North Carolina. All had been shot in the head. You can ask for redemption List, but the wise person doesnt put God to the test and He just may not be too interested about being a part of your puny plan. '', Mr. Clark, the friend added, showed no particular sensitivity about his past and tended to be even tempered. Finally, Delores shook her head and said, Thats not my husband. I then dared her to show it to Bob and ask him, but I dont think she ever did. Hence, his severe lack of social skills cost him jobs after jobs. He also claimed to be suffering from PTSD. She never showed the photo to Mr. Clark. See the events in life of John List in Chronological Order, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:John_List_(mugshot).jpg, https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/john-list-10634.php. To make ends meet, Clark had begun moonlighting for H & R Block, and his wife started working one day a week in a hair salon. Over the years, the John List murders have been featured in films such as Judgment Day: The John List Story and The Stepfather. For the first time, she has her own tour bus. At the time of the murder, John was unemployed. He said, ''We were dealing with a gentleman who certainly had the academic credentials,'' but he acknowledged that no attempt was made to ascertain whether Mr. Clark had, in fact, attended the University of Michigan, as he had stated. Because the records are accessible just to executives and are not discarded, ''Bob must have taken it out of the file when he left us,'' a vice president, Robert Bassler, said. Meanwhile, back at Breeze Knoll, investigators found the Trivia. Authorities later revealed that John kept lying to his family about his jobs. That same year, Clark went to a church social Additionally, the financial burden on the family was increasing, causing him severe psychological distress. Bob West, said Clark became a pillar of the church during the 11 years he attended. Mr. Clark, he said, was living in a trailer park across the street from the hotel. He was behind by $11,000on the houseand had been secretly dipping into his mothers accounts. There are no complaints in his file, no notices, no record of repairs, no nothing.. He means it. Anyone can read what you share. This is a digitized version of an article from The Timess print archive, before the start of online publication in 1996. It rippled through the county and state: John List, the man who had meticulously murdered his mother, wife and three kids in their Westfield mansion and disappeared without a trace, was in custody. The pastor, the Rev. WebOK, I am seeing: Delores Clark (Miller), married 1985- I was thinking of editing in "2008 (his death)" but don't know if I'd be getting into privacy issues. The years at All Packaging appear to have been tranquil. One night after dinner, he even asked his family what should be done with their bodies after they died. List caught the tail end of the show with his wife, who did not know his past. I agree he wanted a fresh start. Heleft the house everymorning,pretending to go to work when he was really whiling away time reading or sleeping in the train station. He went to the post office to stop the family's mail, then to the bank, where he cashed his mother's savings bonds, checking that he got the correct interest to the penny. She was preceded in death by her husband, Raymond; sons, Larry, Jim granddaughter, Gayle Ballow; siblings, Joyce Clark & Mildred Miller. From New York, he had traveled overland to Denver, where he began a new life under the name Robert P. Clark, working first as a hotel fry cook and later as an accountant for H&R Block. They got him down in Virginia.. Tamon Pendergrasss father has already died but his legacy is still alive. Spooky landmark. It was my belief that if you kill yourself, you wont go to heaven, List says. Little of this past did List, as Clark, ever reveal. Mrs. Stefano also recalled an evening at the Clark home when the conversation turned to the couple's origins. See All About BORN October 27, 1930 DIED January 21, 2017 Finally, with the prospect of foreclosure threatening to expose his financial failure, List made his terrible decision to kill his family but not himself. Tonights interview marks Chungs last appearance for ABC before she heads for CNN. WebDelores E. Clark Richmond, Virginia Oct 27, 1930 Jan 21, 2017 Plant Memorial Trees Not the right person? Mr. Clark kept nothing personal in his office. So true extremism of any kind always seems to hurt some innocent people. The Pilgrim Fathers could be described as extremists but theyre a fundamental part of American colonial history. I rode in that old car lots of times, going to baseball practice with John Jr., Robert Compton, now a Westfield police officer, recalled. They say he spent much of his leisure time in church-related activities. Then he sat down and ate lunch at the same table where he had shot his wife hours before. List had sent word to school that he was taking his children to visit relatives, Moran said. John fled the house after putting all the bodies on sleeping bags, turning the house lights on and putting on some classical music. That he appeared functional, maintaining a relationship and holding a job down, doesnt change this. Mr. Reed declined to specify which companies were called. Was this numbers cruncher really ignorant that the Tiffany chandelier was worth close to $100K? By 1971, List seemed poised for a total financial collapse and didnt want his wife and kids to bear the shame of going on public assistance. They attended church each week with List's mother, a strict Lutheran who lived with them. He later pursued a masters degree in accounting from the same university and as the Korean War had escalated in 1950, he was recalled by the Army and was commissioned as a second lieutenant, stationed at Fort Eustis in Virginia, where he met his wife Helen. It's a good question (subject to In late 1987 Mr. Clark responded to an advertisment placed in a local newspaper by a Virginia empoyment agency. ''He said he'd been through that before and knew what I meant. He began living with a new identity in Virginia, where he was spotted by a local and got arrested. WebFrom 1979 to 1986, he was the comptroller at a paper box manufacturer outside Denver. WebAccording to sources, during the initial days of their relationship, the couple claimed that both of them had very strong feelings for each other which are more than enough for them to keep their bond. ''I remember talking to him a few times about marriage, because I was having marital troubles at the time,'' Mr. Roberto recalled. He resembledthe sculpture. List are unquestionably the same man. It especiallybothered him that his eldest, 16-year-oldPatricia, was interested in becoming an actress. A deeply tragic case. It took Johns fingerprints to match with the military records to convince the authorities that he was John List. and I shot her in the head just like the others, he says. He married Helen and raised three children with her, while working as an accountant in many places, such as New York and New Jersey. '', At a news conference yesterday in Richmond, Mrs. Clark said that her husband had told her, too, that his former wife ''was a very sick, sickly lady.'' He was also, the friend added, ''a man who obeyed the speed limit.''. He later completed his masters degree in accounting and worked as an accountant in the military. If an internal link led you here, you may wish to change the link to point directly to the intended article. The last thing I remember hearing about Delores Clark is that she finally accepted the fact that her husband was John List. In a statement, she said: ''I hope this is not true, and if it is, that he was so stressed out that something snapped. Still, Mr. Roberto said, he ''kind of liked him'' and, for some reason, felt sorry for him. What a sorry attempt at humor using President Trump at the end. His wife wasnt a good mother. I told my son-in-law to call the FBI and give them Bob and Delores address in Virginia.. But the wife was face up (albeit with a cloth covering placed later), indicating contempt. Occasionally, Mr. Clark and Mr. Stefano played a board game on a battle theme, and Mr. Clark ''always took the German army,'' Mr. Stefano said. Authorities said that he had been living a quiet life--active in his church, puttering in his yard on weekends--and that he had no problems with the law while a "I grew up with the idea that you should provide for your family and to do that you had to be a success in the job that you had or you're a failure, and that was not a good thing to be," he said. He took a new identity and also joined a Lutheran church, where he met his second wife, Delores Miller. By 1971, he was still leaving for work every morning, but unknown to his family he was unemployed and unable to pay the bills. And of course both presidential candidates have strengths and weaknesses but so polarised are the positions of even intelligent and well-informed people (it would be fair to regard a good proportion of those who work in the national media as such) that there is little no attempt to be even-handed; and defence of one being regarded as attack of the other. Photographs of Mr. He settled in New Jersey and took a job at a local bank. I just discovered this blog, and as a fellow Forensic Files fan, this intrigues me! When asked about his family, ''he would make some allusion to Michigan or Minnesota,'' Mr. Bassler added. At the news conference in Richmond, Mrs. Clark acknowledged seeing the picture. This disambiguation page lists articles about people with the same name. Perhaps if Listknew back in 1971 that, 45 years in the future,an American who filed for bankruptcy protection four timeswould nonetheless be electedleader of the free world, he could have sucked it up, started over,and eventually made the Listfamily great again. Anyway, Was there any word on what happened to his family that he started after getting remarried? List then killed his kids one by one as they returned home from school. John List would be 97 years old if he was alive today. Even now a chill runs through James Moran, Westfields retired police chief, when he recalls the scene in the sparsely furnished, 18-room mansion List had bought for $50,000 in 1966, using money from an inheritance. Maybe not. To the right of the Chinese red front door is an Amish plaque inscribed, ''Bless This House.'' ''He was an introvert galore, if there is such a thing,'' Mr. Oldson said. He joined a local Lutheran church and, in 1985, married a widow named Delores Clark, with whom he moved to Richmond, Va. He died in prison as a result of pneumonia. That was the only time I ever saw Bob show any anger.. If he says, 'God bless you,' he's not just saying it. After that, she was always cautious around him. And it came from a family member of all people. It was the biggest story he could remember, and the local fervor for information was immediate. Feb. 20, 2002 -- Thirty years ago, accountant John List methodically murdered his whole family his mother, his wife, and their three children. 1 spooky darelong after the house mysteriously burned down in 1972. God would deny heaven to a suicide, but not to a mass murderer? (The List Murders,Forensic Files). Simring said List showed "no evidence of anything that approached genuine remorse," adding, "He's a cold, cold man.". Authorities walk John List to a plane in Richmond, Virginia in 1989 before transporting him to New Jersey to stand trial.Steve Helber/AP. To the left are cowbells on a leather strap hung from a nail. Gary Morrison, a former chef at the motel, remembered Clark saying he had once been married but his wife had died of cancer. ( I think he did remarry while on the run)? In 1989, America's Most Wanted featured List and a forensic sculptor's impression of how he would look then, 18 years after the murders. He went on to wed again, join a new family and live in peace and anonymity for nearly two decades. And youre obviously a lib. Denver FBI agents say they received no information about the fugitive in their midst for 16 years after the grisly ballroom murders in New Jersey were discovered. Following the end of the war, he resumed his studies and enrolled into the University of Michigan, from where he completed his bachelors degree in business administration. 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