Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Its parent case, the 6.5 Creedmoor, has an amazing pedigree for long-range shooting. Its not all hype. But if you can shoot this cartridge well, with its supersonic speed out beyond 1,650 yards, youre just about unstoppable at distance, and there are lots of factory loads and riflesaffordable and expensiveto choose from. It shoots as flat as a Kansas prairie and holds its velocity way out there. For deer and lesser critters, its a solid 500-yard cartridge. Yeah, 6.5s are all the rage, and their blinding popularity has taken some shine off the old .270, but the latter is still one of the very best long-range hunting cartridges. Fortunately for them, older stalwarts like the .308 Win. An F-Class shooter engages the 1,000-yard target at the Wendover, Utah, Air Force range (inactive). That, combined with their relatively small size, means that compared to cartridges of similar powder capacity, the 6.5s will almost always do more, in terms of external and terminal ballistics, with less recoil. That being said, no, the 300WM will not fall out of the sky at 1100m. Its bullets will remain supersonic out past 2,000 yards. Its tough, simple, and in the words of Jacob Bynum who helped with the process, sloppy and stupid, which is meant as a compliment with respect to the rifles ability to digest any .308 ammo, no matter how poorly made, and shoot it well. Now, the .280 AI is finally a SAAMI-approved cartridge, and while ammunition options are sparse, its performance is right there with the 7mm Remington Magnum. I just think this article was not specifically a hunting article. .300 Win Mag is your ticket. Join F&S+ to read exclusive stories by your favorite writers. Nonetheless, during the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the Naval Surface Warfare Center wanted to develop a sniper round that was effective to 1,500 yards and started looking for a cartridge to fulfill that role. Its moderate recoil, inherent accuracy, and proven lethality is why it is such a great choice for new hunters. Some of the best loads I have shot through various .223 Wylde/5.56 NATO chambers have been: The .224 Valkyrie was developed with long-range shooting in mind from its inception. This newer Weatherby 6.5 combines plenty of gas with manageable recoil. There's plenty of people that are just fine a 500 yds. Model 70 with a 24" Medium wt. Bill Poor recently claimed to hit a target at 5280 yards/4837 meters or 3 miles. For off-the-shelf accuracy, the 6.5 Creedmoor is tough to top, no matter how much the Creeds detractors might howl. Ill be honest; I may be a huge Grendel fanboy. The long range military rifles on my list would start with the .338 Lapua, .375 Cheytec, .408 Cheytac, the .416 Barrett and finally the .50 Bmg. It is a screamer, and with increased velocity comes increased range. A legacy that inspires confidence. Needless to say youre not going to find one of these rifles, or the ammo, on your gun store shelf anytime soon. i think the 50 bmg would make most every ones list on this topic. It nearly matches the ballistics of the Winchester Magnum, but does so in rifles with faster-twist barrels and modern powders that extend barrel life. It will push a 90-grain Fusion bullet to 500 yardswhich is probably the limit for big game with this cartridgewhile still retaining enough velocity to initiate expansion. Then the 400 yard. Another downside is that the 6mm Creedmoor does not buck the wind as well as its bigger brother, the 6.5 Creedmoor. Learn the 3 most popular shooting stances & more. Nathan, I got to say I really appreciate that defense. Lets look at some of the popular calibers. If youre after deeper penetration, look at the 139-grain Barnes VOR-TX Long Range load. Mag. While I was in Wyoming, I was able to test and evaluate the .224 Valkyrie with a rifle from Palmetto State Armory. You do not pay Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. We hate SPAM and promise to keep your email address safe. For that blacktail hunt I ended up creating a rifle with the now-defunct Legendary Arms Works with my friend Mike Hudgins. The newest addition to the Nosler line of proprietary cartridges is the 27 Nosler. Ammo availability has become extensive for the 6.5 Creedmoor. That's a fine caliber, I said. So, you get much better performance from the 6.5 PRC versus the .300 Win. Even at a 1000 yard drop, the cartridge range is around 210'', which makes the 26 Nosler perform quite capably at such a range . The .277 is an oddball bullet diameter, in that it doesnt fall into the much more common 6.5mm, 7mm, or .30-caliber categories. .260 Rem., .243, 6.5 x something, etc. I zeroed it at about 2 inches high at 200 yards. Feb 17, 2008. Use whatever you wantwhether a .223 Rem., a .45/70, or something in betweenand call it Christmas. Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. With the exception of the 7mm Remington Magnum, cartridges of this diameter have never been as popular in America as they should bemaybe because this was the caliber of the Imperial German Army and the Nazis. With new( in the works)bullet designs the .308 surpasses the .300 win mag and is closing in on 6.5 ! Serious long-range shooters shouldn't make compromises; 6 mm ARC bullets will reach 1,000 yards before any of the others and they will also remain supersonic longer, too. gear. In general, lightweight bullets driven very fast shoot flatter than heavier bullets with better aerodynamics (high B.C. Shooting a 180-grain bullet (.507 G1 BC) at 2,960 fps and sighted in 1.5 inches high at 100 yards, the .300 Win. The sky is the limit depending on your budget and what kind of rifle you want. Oh yeah. Shouldn't penetration at the point of termination be a consideration? When I first got my Weatherby, I went to zero my scope. I hate to be so critical here but when you start a list of "best long range cartridges" with the 5.56 you have immediately started off by being disingenuous. Based on the now almost-forgotten .284 Winchester, the 6.5-284 Norma was originally a wildcat cartridge and a very popular one, especially in bench-rest competitions. the flattest cartridge I can find. There may be others like the 257 Wby. A long-time favorite of snipers, the .308 Winchester will remain supersonic out to around 1,200 yards. Regarding the comment on the 6.5C, the laws of aerodynamics don't agree with you. Its like a shorter, beltless version of the .300 Winchester Magnum. You must adequately define these currently nebulous extra parameters that lead you to make these statements and pass them off as informative. It started with the .30/30 and continued with the .30/06 and .308 and right up to todays .300 Blackout. Don't even come play if you can't consistently make that shot. In 2019, Nosler submitted the cartridge to the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Institute (SAAMI) for approval, and in 2020, you can expect to see Nosler and other ammunition manufacturers offering factory loaded ammunition and even rifles for it. The 6mm Creedmoor has gained a lot of traction with competitive shooters over the last couple of years. more do I really need more ??? It is the responsibility of any hunter to put down game as quickly and humanely as possible with a single shot. Subscribe to Pew Pew Tactical's sales and deals email. Ballistically, the cartridge is very similar to the 6.5 PRC, but unlike the PRC it uses a standard 0.473 rim diameter like the .308 Winchester. I really love my Sturm Ruger M77, and couldn't believe a 34 gr bullet could achieve 4000+ FPS muzzle velocity! Now, you might think this cartridge is new and unproven. Death in the Long Grass: A Big Game Hunter's Adventures in the African Bush .by Peter H. Capstick, Dino Paravano, Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders (Volume 1) Paperback, The Complete Guide to Hunting, Butchering, and Cooking Wild Game: Volume 1: Big Game, Horn of the Hunter: The Story of an African Safari Kindle Edition, Use Enough Gun: On Hunting Big Game Hardcover, Pheasant, Quail, Cottontail: Upland Birds and Small Game from Field to Feast Hardcover March 1, 2018, The Easy Venison Cookbook: 60 Simple Recipes for Deer, Elk, and Moose Kindle Edition, 8.5x63mm: A Rimmed Thumper for Heavy Critters. we started testing in VIET-NAM, they were great, even at LONG range. The Creedmoor carries more velocity and energy downrange with less recoil than any other factory cartridge. Change your name to Karen. Although it will always be there and ready if the need arises. The 264 Win Mag. It was introduced in 1962 and essentially knocked the .264 Winchester Magnum several notches down on the popularity list after hunters and shooters put the 7mm Mag to the test. During benchrest competition the targets have a paper backer that is moving placed behind them. Mag. It is the Madonna of long-range rounds. There is no one-size-fits all answer when it comes to the best long-range calibers. hit its first major stumble. Hathcock, of course, went on to become the most storied Marine sniper in history in Viet Nam in the following years, though he didnt do it with a .300 Win. It just murders your shoulder, ears, and pocketbook at the same time drop in feet Shooting at 700 (In Theory) I guess because it was my dad's and the first long distance rifle I was taught with. The third time proved to be the charm. I grew up in Montana,hunting both in the mountains in the West and in high school out in the flats in the East part of the state. Love the caliber. caliber cartridges in 2018 when Hornady introduced it after working with George Gardner of GA Precision on the concept. 1000 Yard Shooting Part II Caliber Selection, Shooting Technique, Reloading and the Mental Game. I have a 2506 killed a deer at 840 yards one shot !! thanks and what of the 6.5cm PRC you have a picture of it but dont mention it. The .270 Winchester stays supersonic out to 1,400 yards, which is more than what 99 percent of hunters will ever need. Mag. Both are far more exceptional than the 5 you chose. It's disconcerting to me that this cartridge always gets left out of the conversation. The engineering of these cartridges, which gets into the minutia of rifle twist (faster), chamber dimensions (tighter), case taper (less), shoulder angle (steeper), throat lede angle (shallower), and other details, is why they are inherently more accurate, and better, than the cartridges of yore. At 600 and 800 yards the drop is 65 and 137 inches, respectively. Could the 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC, or 26 Nosler be the flattest shooting cartridge? However, it proved to be mostly a flash in the pan. While there are newer cartridges around, many of them are derived from the .308, and all are measured against it. quickly established itself as a go-to hunting round for Western big game and international hunting. Hornady Precision Hunter 212-grain ELD-X at 2,860 fps. While the retained velocity and energy is 1937 fps / 1500 ft-lb and 1656 fps / 1096 ft-lb at 600 and 800 yards. It also induced instability that rendered the round unstable and inaccurate at 800 yards and beyond. 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